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klwilliams) wrote2017-02-07 06:15 pm
klwilliams) wrote2017-02-07 06:15 pm
A different point of view
So I've been trying to understand why the Trump supporters are, well, Trump supporters. My uncle Joe lives in Louisiana. He's a Vietnam vet who believes firmly in the ideals of the '40s and '50s. What I gather from that is that he believes in serving his country and protecting women and children, among other things. He's basically a nice guy, reasonably intelligent, and not a Fascist by any stretch.
I asked him to be specific about why he doesn't want Muslims in the US, and he said it's because of stories like these that he claims aren't being reported in the mainstream press. I googled on "germany islamic men rape women" and found many articles about what the wikipedia article talks about, including this from The Washington Post. Go ahead and take a look. I'll wait.
I read the San Jose Mercury News every day, cover to cover, because it's not nearly as thick as it used to be. Still, it has a decent national and international section, though the international news seems to be mostly about ISIS and the countries where they have footholds. I hadn't read anything about the rapes in Germany and Sweden. However, looking at the sites that are reporting on these rapes, I see some are from fake news sites, like this one.
So, is this really happening? It's certainly one of the fears from the grand old days of the '40s and '50s, that black men might rape white women. It might be happening. When I was in high school I was raped by an Iranian college student, who said the same kind of things to me as are reported in these internet stories, so yes, this happens. But, I don't see this happening, certainly not on this scale, in the United States. We do a much better job of vetting our refugees, and while we probably get a terrorist or two, I don't think we're importing enough for this kind of thing to happen. However, my uncle is concerned enough about this happening that he doesn't want any Muslims to enter the country at all. It's an interesting problem.
I asked him to be specific about why he doesn't want Muslims in the US, and he said it's because of stories like these that he claims aren't being reported in the mainstream press. I googled on "germany islamic men rape women" and found many articles about what the wikipedia article talks about, including this from The Washington Post. Go ahead and take a look. I'll wait.
I read the San Jose Mercury News every day, cover to cover, because it's not nearly as thick as it used to be. Still, it has a decent national and international section, though the international news seems to be mostly about ISIS and the countries where they have footholds. I hadn't read anything about the rapes in Germany and Sweden. However, looking at the sites that are reporting on these rapes, I see some are from fake news sites, like this one.
So, is this really happening? It's certainly one of the fears from the grand old days of the '40s and '50s, that black men might rape white women. It might be happening. When I was in high school I was raped by an Iranian college student, who said the same kind of things to me as are reported in these internet stories, so yes, this happens. But, I don't see this happening, certainly not on this scale, in the United States. We do a much better job of vetting our refugees, and while we probably get a terrorist or two, I don't think we're importing enough for this kind of thing to happen. However, my uncle is concerned enough about this happening that he doesn't want any Muslims to enter the country at all. It's an interesting problem.
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It says that about half the suspects are foreign nationals who had only recently arrived in Germany. Which means...half are not.
There is also a blurring between sexual assault and rape in this article. I have suffered sexual assault. It is bad. But it is also highly variable in how bad, ranging from the merely upsetting to the distinguishable from rape by the tiniest technicality. And it seems to me to make a rather large difference what social problem you're describing. If I had been raped on the dance floor at numerous concerts, that would tell you far worse things--shocking things--about the concert-going public, the people who run those venues, etc. That I was instead groped by men I did not know does not mean that it was a happy time or that they were well-behaved or even non-criminal, but it is an entirely different picture. Combining the two seems designed to raise the ire of people like your uncle.
The phrase "accused of groping" makes me wonder how many sexual assaults happen on NYE between people of the same ethnic and immigration status here in the US. My best guess: lots. Really lots. In a major city, "hundreds" would not surprise me.
I don't mean to diminish sexual assault here; it is and should be a crime. As I say, I've experienced various forms of it. But I feel like this article is very nearly written to give you the impression that hundreds of "foreigners" are raping women when an examination of what they are actually saying is that hundreds of men--both native-born and foreign-born to the country in question--engaged in sexual assaults including rape but also including groping passersby in a crowd.
By all means, charge the people who did this. But that's just it: it's a crime. Prosecute it as a crime. Recognize that it's a crime that needs more attention in most countries when native-born people do it as well. Let's get better at policing assault and particularly better at policing rape, and everyone, no matter where they are born, will know that they can't get away with it. Turning away refugee kids because they might grow up to be gropers while ignoring the gropers we have right here does not seem like a moral position to me.
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